There are a looooooot of details to be worked out. And policy makers are -- hucareshokiesrul 06/30/2020 12:17PM
Ignoring the silliness that is "no police", there are reasonable proposals -- jmanatVT 06/30/2020 11:15AM
In my area they already have and had had special cops trained in -- fordham 06/30/2020 11:51AM
No one is "ignoring" other types of murder. I personally think that we -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:56AM
I agree with you, as I have heard some prominent black -- fordham 06/30/2020 12:00PM
But surely you can see how fixing the bigger problem by magnitude -- jmanatVT 06/30/2020 1:26PM
Except the murder stats are very clear, most murders are committed -- fordham 06/30/2020 2:12PM
No, the big picture includes looking at the relationship between the two -- jmanatVT 06/30/2020 2:32PM
Again, millions and millions of cop interactions with the public, very few -- fordham 06/30/2020 3:11PM
Also, the logic is faulty that if you are prioritizing one problem that you -- jmanatVT 06/30/2020 4:49PM
I'm not disagreeing that it's a bigger issue. I'm telling you that to solve -- jmanatVT 06/30/2020 4:38PM
I just want to know when the first LiveSW episode is. ** -- Hokie360 06/30/2020 09:58AM
Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency will become a chain ** -- Ho_Ki 06/30/2020 09:22AM
I'm just happy that the world is finally ending -- Beerman 06/30/2020 09:18AM
Crazy to keep confronting and denying the real viewpoints of real -- PhotoHokieNC 06/30/2020 10:49AM
Well then you're missing my point -- Beerman 06/30/2020 11:06AM
Not even a little. ** -- PhotoHokieNC 06/30/2020 11:07AM
Found a book cleaning out my dad's lake house this past weekend... -- Will Stewart
06/30/2020 10:07AM
Did you happen to find any Mayan calendars too? ** -- Hokie360 06/30/2020 10:24AM
Maybe he just had the wrong generation. 2020 is 40 years from 1980. ** -- NokieHokie 06/30/2020 10:14AM
Wait til a few social workers get killed...... where are the cops!!!!! ** -- fordham 06/30/2020 09:15AM
That is my question. ** -- HokieNLot11 06/30/2020 1:05PM
What do you mean by "holistic"? ** -- TJ Hokie 06/30/2020 09:09AM
Pretty much the same as the "cops" from Demolition Man. -- HokieNoVA 06/30/2020 10:25AM
One size fits all kind of approach -- TomTurkey 06/30/2020 09:52AM
Isn't that what we had with cops doing everything? ** -- jmanatVT 06/30/2020 09:56AM
Agreed. ** -- Stork 06/30/2020 10:22AM
Exactly.. Cops do way too many things they are not really qualified for. ** -- TJ Hokie 06/30/2020 10:07AM
Cops require less training than a barber. -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 10:40AM
Agreed, so the answer to that is more training not defunding the police. I -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 5:13PM
Dude, you have issues -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 9:43PM
No kidding. I don’t disagree but if the family member was scared for their -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 11:05PM
This is my last comment on this topic -- VTSnake 07/01/2020 07:15AM
I agree cops should try to deescalate if possible when dealing with a crazy -- Hoakie82 07/01/2020 12:22PM
Don’t know -- HOKIEVET 06/30/2020 09:12AM
Be many more St. Louis situations. -- Hockey Dad 06/30/2020 09:07AM
You mean those morons brandishing weapons and zero trigger discipline? -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 09:43AM
Try doing that a couple of times & you’ll have a major explosion of -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:09AM
What would the cops be protecting those folks' property from? Was there -- reestuart 06/30/2020 3:16PM
They broke through a substantial wrought iron gate. The mob wasn’t on a -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 3:35PM
They didn't break through the gate. They walked right through it. There's -- reestuart 06/30/2020 3:37PM
Well, I wasn’t there but if an angry mob is on a private street they should -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 3:52PM
You can't just point guns at people because you don't like them. -- reestuart 06/30/2020 4:11PM
Shhhhhhhhh. The story is much better if they smashed thru the gates! -- HWA 06/30/2020 3:50PM
They did destroy the gate. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 4:09PM
Brandishing a firearm? ** -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 10:16AM
What?? Sad days in this country. ** -- Hockey Dad 06/30/2020 12:16PM
Again I'm not advocating one way or another. The question was what could -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 1:16PM
You don’t even need a concealed weapons permit to open carry a gun. They -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:42AM
BTW...in many states you do need a permit to carry (open or concealed). -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:39AM
Come on man! -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:01AM
It’s not a comparison. It’s a separate current subject involving guns. -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 11:29AM
So let's change the scenario just a bit -- Beerman 06/30/2020 11:52AM
The chances are in either of your situations if they already have their gun -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 12:11PM
That is a remarkably obstinate take on the situation -- Beerman 06/30/2020 1:11PM
There is a huge difference in my mind. One’s legal & one isn’t but either -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 2:31PM
That common sense thing ... -- Beerman 06/30/2020 2:39PM
If they’re found guilty, I hope it is clearly pointed out in the trial. -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 2:53PM
You're out of your mind. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:30AM
Clear self defense! ** -- Hockey Dad 06/30/2020 12:14PM
I'm shocked you'd think that. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:22PM
You would just give them your gun and let him shoot you after he pounded -- Hockey Dad 06/30/2020 12:24PM
I wouldn't have chased the guy down with a gun to begin with. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:25PM
Chasing someone who they know was trespassing & thought stole something -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 12:00PM
They can't shoot someone because they thought he was trespassing and -- reestuart 06/30/2020 3:01PM
They can make a citizen's arrest if it's a felony and they had direct -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 1:12PM
Burglary is a felony. All they have to think is he did which is why you -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 2:45PM
They aren't the police. It doesn't matter at all what they think. You -- reestuart 06/30/2020 4:32PM
I'm sorry but your first two sentences are flat out wrong. There's simply -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 3:04PM
Call it what you want, making excuses or playing devils advocate. All of -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 3:22PM
There's a big difference between "not ready to convict" and blaming the -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 3:36PM
You’re making me repeat myself. I think they did have a right. I guess we -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 3:43PM
They also can't use excessive force to do so. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 1:31PM
They "thought"? Did he have anything in his posession? -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:08PM
I don’t care what you think. It’s my opinion & I’m allowed to express it. -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 12:22PM
They will get their day in court which is more than anyone can say for the -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 1:36PM
Your opinion is worthless... -- vtbones 06/30/2020 12:28PM
Maybe it doesn’t stop mob justice but that’s not how justice gets meted out -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 2:24PM
1) we're not on a jury -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 2:47PM
We aren’t a jury. No kidding Sherlock that’s for the court of law. I’m no -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 3:11PM
It's funny...not once have you said the other two guys... -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 3:13PM
Actually, I think I did but I’m not going back to see. They were stupid. -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 3:29PM
Express it all you want. If you want to look silly (or worse) that's on you ** -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:24PM
Thanks for your permission Joe Vigilante. ** -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 12:26PM
You're welcome Ken Kommando! ** -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:27PM
Who said anything about concealed permits or simply carrying a gun? That -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 10:53AM
What did I just read.... ** -- vtbones 06/30/2020 10:45AM
You read it. Why are you asking for someone’s opinion? If you disagree -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:52AM
Stop giving your opinions then. ** -- vtbones 06/30/2020 10:55AM
Not gonna happen. Either skip my post or tell me where I’m wrong. ** -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 11:06AM
I think it would be a faster/easier to tell you where you're right ** -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 1:18PM
There’s nothing illegal about brandishing a firearm. ** -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:19AM
Pretty sure there is... -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 10:20AM
Well, I’m not an attorney & I’m not gonna look up any laws but if they are -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:46AM
No need to look up any laws. I just posted it for you. I'm sure the -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 10:56AM
Yea a mob threatening to kill you and your dog means nothing these days! -- Hockey Dad 06/30/2020 12:19PM
A mob broke down the gate & was on private property. I think it’s very -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 11:10AM
Again I'm not advocating for or against the homeowners to be charged. -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:17AM
It’s not about race. It’s about a large horde of people breaking down a -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 11:49AM
You most certainly can have a peaceful protest after 8PM. What about a -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:54AM
Vigil and protest mean two very different things. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:01PM
Can we just call them trespassing protestors? -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:25AM
Sure. Like I said I haven't read a ton about it. Is the private property -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:30AM
It was a gated community. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:34AM
Right I get that. My question is merely hypothetical in asking whether an -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:39AM
Well...considering the "community property" would likely fall.. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:42AM
I could see that being the case. ** -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:43AM
"I’m not gonna look up any laws" AKA "I'm about to be proudly ignorant" ** -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 10:55AM
In many states, the charge SPECIFICALLY includes the word "brandishing" -- HWA 06/30/2020 12:03PM
If Missouri has similar then this line would likely protect them. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 12:30PM
On their own property? Call the cops! ** -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 10:19AM
You still can't stand on your own property and point a gun at people -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 10:22AM
Hahaha -- Hockey Dad 06/30/2020 12:22PM
If they are trespassing? ** -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 11:05AM
If they are coming on to your property or threatening you then it changes -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:12AM
News reports said several folks were on the couples property. -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 11:18AM
And if that's the case then what I've said most likely doesn't apply. But -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:23AM
I do agree a weapon should not be brandished lightly. -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 11:29AM
Agreed. And I think most people would agree the woman needs to take some -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:32AM
I am skeptical she could actually hit something she was aiming at. ** -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 11:41AM
Most definitely. ** -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 11:42AM
Did the guy actually ever point his gun at anyone? -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 10:25AM
The wife was one poorly timed sneeze away from killing someone -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 10:35AM
I don't know. I haven't followed it all that closely to be honest and yes -- AbsolutVT03 06/30/2020 10:28AM
Should the violent mob who tore down the gates to that community... -- EDGEMAN 06/30/2020 09:54AM
No the mob should be in a grave! People should respect others property. ** -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:11AM
Trespassing = death sentence? Wow you are screwed up in the head. ** -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 10:37AM
We can't go around arresting everybody that's stupid. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 09:48AM
Those people were stupid. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 09:28AM
They weren’t as intimidating with their club attire. -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 09:54AM
That was more like Izod and Dress Barn ** -- typed by ben 06/30/2020 10:09AM
My investigative skills show what appears to be a Brooks Bros polo. ** -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 10:13AM
Even worse ** -- typed by ben 06/30/2020 5:14PM
The purpose of camouflage is to blend in with your surroundings. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 09:56AM
Instead of face paint they opted for SPF 100 sunscreen. ** -- GreenvilleVT 06/30/2020 09:57AM
Pretty sure SPF100 is a waste.... -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 09:59AM
Could've started "Roof Karen" meme ** -- Ho_Ki 06/30/2020 09:49AM
There are a lot of stupid people with guns ... hence we need Police. :) ** -- vt90 06/30/2020 09:47AM
Bingo! Getting rid of police is beyond stupid for everyone in this country ** -- Hoakie82 06/30/2020 10:17AM
If Minneapolis carries thru we can have a real life example of survival of -- fordham 06/30/2020 09:49AM
You realize Minneapolis won't be the first right? -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 10:52AM
Did you read what you linked? Camden has police and hired back alot of the -- fordham 06/30/2020 11:57AM
Yeah the whole defund police term is piss poor ** -- HokieForever 06/30/2020 10:54AM
Yup...said the same thing last week. -- vthokieq 06/30/2020 11:03AM
The messaging, per usual, is garbage. ** -- VTSnake 06/30/2020 10:55AM
Agry ** -- HokieForever 06/30/2020 10:56AM
I think Season 1 is already happening featuring CHAZ in Seattle. ** -- RUHokie 06/30/2020 10:27AM
What's the worst that can happen? -- EDGEMAN 06/30/2020 09:05AM